TEXAS – A jury in Texas ordered Mary Kay Inc. to pay $11.2 million including $10 million in punitive damages, for firing a sales manager disabled by cancer, who, the company argued, was not an employee but an independent contractor.
“This verdict means the 920,000 alleged independent contractors working for Mary Kay have their civil rights,” said plaintiff’s counsel Angela Alioto. “If they get sick, they have a remedy. They can take a leave.”.
(via The National Law Journal)
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Kate, why would you want to be involved with an organization that tell you not to tell the truth?
That right there is a basic deal-breaker. And it’s on this point that I keep repeating myself. I can’t see why anyone, honest and good or not, would want to be involved with such an organization?
This goes beyond disagreeing and name-calling. Mary Kay Corporation is using women to make tons of money. This is how it is. Disagree, call me names, say I’m crazy. But, at the end of the day, for every $1 a consultant makes, MK makes at least $2.
Who wins? Not the consultant.
btw, no one has shouted four-letter words. In fact, the point I was trying to make is that a lot of these pro-MK comments are backhanded insults, devised to look like simple conversation on the surface.
A standard brainwashing technique.
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/articles/BITE.htm
Okay…all that MLM…now that was childish. The Company itself doesnt tell you to lie to the consultants…its the dishonest people that takes things and twist them…but we all know that there are people like that everywhere. Of course Mary Kay makes money off of their products…just like all the rest of the companies do. What type of business would make it if they didnt make profit?? And if you read throughout this site, yes four letter words have been blared…or words even worse. I just cant bring myself to belive that since there are some dishonest people in the business, that its a horrible business all around. Havent you watched the news about the doctor that gave many patients a fake flu shot? Now does that give me the right to say “That doctor was wrong and could have caused alot of trouble, therefore im not going to ANY doctors anymore!” How crazy is that?
Point made clear!
Kate there aren’t “some” dishonest people in MK. Every sales director has cheated by signing up family members to finish DIQ. We all know it. We all know how maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany of the directors place orders in consultants names to make them “active”.
And corporate condones all this. Why? Because it adds billions to their sales. So why not!!!
Yes, Mary Kay is a pyramid scheme. MLM. Mary Kay sucks!
I STARTED MK AND I WAS ALSO WORKING 60 HOURS A WEEK AND A SINGLE MOM. I DID SACRIFICE SOME BUT NOW I WORK 25 HOURS A WEEK AND MAKE 46000,00 A YEAR. THAT MEANS I PUT THE TIME AND WORK IN WHEN AND ENJOY EVERY MINUTE BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY I CAN BE WITH MY SON.
To the woman who claims she’s making $46k…you forgot to mention all the expenses of running your business. I bet you only have $20k left after expenses. That’s not much of a living. Oh, and we all know how MK women count their “hours”. You’re leaving out an awful lot of hours, and you know it.
You guys are really childish. You know, there are good people in this world. You cant say ALL directors have gotten their family to sign up…i know quite a few that havent done that. Actually, i know quite a few that NONE of their family and friends are on their unit. As for the lady who started mary kay and is succeeding…YOU GO GIRL!!
Is it that your jealous someone can succeed…and you didnt?
On Oct 20, 2004,, a Texas appeals court overturned this judgement, ruling that this former director was an independent contractor and not an employee. See http://www.cob.sjsu.edu/facstaff/malos_s/CA%20Employment%20Law%20Letter%2011-1-04.pdf . See Page 2. Note: in the last statement of this link, the writer implies that perhaps the former director would have done better to sue under a California law called the Unruh Act. Angela Alioto (the lawyer) is not stupid. I’m sure that if Ms. Alioto thought she could win using that premise, she would sued under that law. Perhaps she could not because the Mary Kay contract required any diputes to follow Texas law. (Just as most credit card companies require disputes to be filed in Delaware.)
That writer should have done his homework. If he had, he would have seen that she DID try to sue in California, and the court kicked it out. Hence why the case was fought in Texas.
Paul Lindsay said: “…the Mary Kay contract required any diputes to follow Texas law. (Just as most credit card companies require disputes to be filed in Delaware.)”
Yes, so one look at the contract, and California courts would _have_ to toss it. Duh.
“Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which if of great worth in Gods sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful.”
1 Peter 3:3-5
The fact is that make up is a great way to cover up the shame of sin. We cannot attain true beauty or joy through what we do or what business we are in. Make up doesn’t promote Gods word. You cannot put God first and sell make up at the same time.
1 Peter ch3 – beautiful scripture and good post, except for the part that you cannot put God first and sell make up at the same time. Many of us make a living at something and can still put our God first; if you are referring to the materialistic idolators in MK, it suits them.
Yes, God looks at the heart and another scripture is “charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised”. Then there’s the “you will give an account for every careless word spoken”. That SHOULD send some MK reps hoppin to the bible to find out what they should/shouldn’t be doing when presenting this opportunity in the name of God.
God can use anything, even make up to advance the Gospel. God can even use abusive MK people to advance His gospel. Think about it. MK DOES preach about God all the time, even Paul said “least the gospel is being preached” when those less than holy were preaching it.
Mary Kay is rotting in her grave right now. Leave her dead, stinking corpse AND her “vision” in the ground. Get real. That old woman schemed her way to millions on the backs of poor, unsuspecting women. She should have been lynched for her evil ways.
Dancing on MK’s grave and spitting on her plot.
Just for good measure, I’ll snuff out a cigarette butt on her grave and p*ss on it too!
after you dance on her grave and p*ss on it, I will come behind you and poop on it. Eat poop you old fart lady who never did anything but scheme to EXPLOIT women.
Hmmm…nobody wants to dispute me? Good. Mary Kay was an evil lady and she needs to be known far and wide as an evil devil woman. May she rot in hell. I wish she had died in a raging fire or a blazing car crash.
Good riddance!
Um, LeeAnee?
Girl, you need to go to this website and get some healing from your MK obsession. It sounds like MK chewed you up and spit you out.
http://www.thepinkingshears.org
It is okay to be upset with the system. If you haven’t gotten OUT yet, then do it..and soon!
There is a 90% buyback guarantee..it is a rolling 12 months so gather up you stuff and SEND IT BACK.
RIght on, Sister! Right on! Go Shaniqua!!
http://www.thepinkingshears.org
I highly recommend that ANYONE having doubts about MK visit this site.
LeeAnne,
It might just be that everyone is laughing too hard to dispute you. I check in just for a huge laugh. Thanks.
All Mary Kay Directors and Nationals are whoremongers.
They are all out for one thing..it is all about them and not about anyone but them. I hope Pam Shaw and Gloria Mayfield Banks die in a big explosion. I would love to know that they were no longer among the living.
Pimp them out, Mary Kay! Pimp those ladies out.
Whoremongers indeed.
All National Sales Directors and their downlines need to go jump in a lake. Take your scripted training with you.
I apologize for my not so nice post. I truly believe that all training in Mary Kay comes from the upper echelon of the sales force. IE: the National sales directors. I believe that their greed and selfishness pushes others to be greedy and self centered.
Because of Mary Kay Cosmetics, I lost my house, my husband, my family, my friends and now my credit rating. I am now 3 years into being a “MaryKay consultant” and am $35,000 in debt. I have an entire household of product that isn’t selling despite the busiest shopping season of the year and the crappy MK advertising campaign.
I want to just end it all but not before I see Pam Shaw and GLoria Banks suffer their own consequences.
Should I maybe check out that pinking site for advice??
Yankee Girl, please check out the pinking shears site, or join the MK Survivors yahoo group. both places can be a source of support for you. I am so sorry for what you have been through. join us and start on the road toward healing.
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/MKSurvivors/
http://www.thepinkingshears.org
Yankee girl:
You are right in that the Nationals of MK are responsible for the teachings handed down thru the downlines. Shame on em. People look up to them and because they present themselves so righteous and successful, even wrong teaching seems “ok” to their followers. Corporate condones them though. When’s the last time corporate yanked a National for deceptive practices?
I hope that you do check out our website and our group if you found yourself swooped in the pink fog.
Curious as to why you’ve singled out those two Nationals? Were you in their area? There are so many others, imo, who teach unethical stuff (behind the scenes, of course!)
I just cannot believe that people would waste their time with all this drivel. Don’t these people have lives? And second of all, I REALLY cannot believe that a message board would allow all of this bashing and horribly nasty discussion. I remain neutral, neither for nor against MK. But to s–t on the dead and deceased is best left to the LOWEST form of life. Don’t bother replying to my post, as I will not be returning to this site every again. Good luck to you all. You all need it.
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