TEXAS – A jury in Texas ordered Mary Kay Inc. to pay $11.2 million including $10 million in punitive damages, for firing a sales manager disabled by cancer, who, the company argued, was not an employee but an independent contractor.
“This verdict means the 920,000 alleged independent contractors working for Mary Kay have their civil rights,” said plaintiff’s counsel Angela Alioto. “If they get sick, they have a remedy. They can take a leave.”.
(via The National Law Journal)
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What about all the others here who have been making _logical_ arguments agains _all_ MLMs?? They’re not being nasty. Get over yourselves, women! You’re both bashing, just by calling the others out. Cut the chatter and get back to the numbers.
When all these pink people claim “we’re the #9 unit,” that means MONEY. Yes, they all do put money first, because that’s what “success” in Mary Kay is: selling lots of products and recruiting lots of women who place large inventory orders as they buy into a MONEY-based dream.
No one is following one single logical argument to its conclusion. It’s all degraded into a bunch of character-bashing here. So, go back and do your homework, ladies (and I use that term loosely). You’ll find that there is no profit in an MLM until you _recruit_ lots of people. That fact right there makes all of these schemes ***illegal pyramid schemes***.
Go ahead and dump your money into them. See if I care. If you make it to the top, you’ll be one of 0.02% who do, and you’ll have done it on the backs of at least 300 other women’s hard work. (To make NSD, you need at least 10 units; each unit debuts with a minimum of 30 women. This is a conservative estimate.)
Now, anyone want to dispute the numbers, or just sling more mud?
You need 18 units for NSD, not 10. Time $5,000 production each per month = $90,000 production total per month. (Notice I say PRODUCTION, as the company doesn’t care if anyone actually sells anything.) And you need 30 victims per unit = 540 current victims total. With an attrition rate of 95% or so, that means another 10,000 or so casualties (ex-consultants).
How could anyone sleep at night?
Melanie: What does the attrition rate (95%) mean, and how does it turn 540 consultants into 10,000?
I signed up to be a consultant because I needed the extra money. I purchased the $600.00 inventory option, and allowed my director to place my first order for me. Between the time that I signed up (August 2004) and the time I returned my product (September 2005), I moved cross country. When I returned my product after several months of serious thought, consideration and prayer, a good majority of the product that I returned, was items that my director ordered for me initially.
What really got my attention though, was when I realised that had I NOT joined Mary Kay, I would have had one of my credit cards paid off in full by June 2005. Because I joined though, that card remained maxed out, and I got another card to use for my Mary Kay purchases. I paid the minimum payment on all my cards, plus a little extra when I could.
Before contacting the repurchase department, I called my director and my recruiter both to let them know what I was doing. My recruiter still wants me at her debut (and told me that she would fly me to where she is to have me there), as she will be going DIQ later this fall. My director however, spent an hour on the phone with me trying to convince me to stay. People claim that they do Mary Kay to spend more time with their family… The whole time she was on the phone with me, I could hear her husband call that dinner was ready, and her daughter trying to ask her to please come have dinner with the family. My director recently gave birth, and less than a week later was hosting her meetings again, spending 2 – 4 hours away from her newborn son. Two weeks after she gave birth she attended seminar, leaving her newborn son with her husband and a nanny. How is that living “God First, Family Second, Career Third”? When I told her that I had prayed about it, and felt that I had made the best decision for me, she got very quiet (I had never discussed religion with her before, and I thinks he was surprised that I mentioned God to her). After a few moments, she told me to pray on it again before I do anything (implying to me that I hadn’t prayed enough, or that she hoped I’d have a Divine Intervention to change my mind). My statements of wanting to spend more time with my family were brushed off, as well as my dedication to finding a job that was going to offer me insurance. My mentioning God and prayer was met with “do it again”, as though she hoped that more prayer would lead to God having changed His mind about my path. That made me very uncomfortable, and I returned my product very soon after that.
Think Pink: I just realized another piece of evidence to prove you’re lying about that “refreshing every 30 minutes” thing. There would be 48 new instances of your post, because it showed up the next day, too. So, that means you didn’t close your browser between day 1 and day 2, and that would have meant that there would be a copy of your post EVERY HALF HOUR!
See how easy they lie??
Sorry for using big words like “attrition”. I’ll try to dumb it down for ya.
95%+ of people who come into MK are out within 2 years. So the 540 (30 active x 18 units) would represent only 5% of those recruited by the 18 units. If 540 is 5%, then the other 95% that bit the dust (became additional casualties of MK) would equal about 10,000. See how easy the math is???
So at least 10,000 victims for every NSD, and that’s on the low end!!!
Not Pink….you’re thinking a little too hard about things honey…just let it go!
Hm. Just trying to dicredit my witness, “Poor YOU.” If it bugs you so much, try coming back with something real. Sales Directors are taught how to lie, and this is just more evidence of it. Besides, she wants to pick on my character, I’ll pick on hers.
Mudslinging. What Mary Kay does best!
Melanie: ROFLMBO! I’m glad you picked up on where I was going with that. Most people aren’t aware that 95% of people who join an MLM quit within the first year. So, there’s an endless string of people joining the MLM, finding out the truth, and leaving.
The more we get the facts out, the more credit scores we save!
Yeah, now we’re teamin’ up against the MLMs. It’s a conspiracy. Call us the Illuminati. I’ll just steal your thunder now, because I’m much more interested in the numbers.
I agree with POOR you . . . also, Not Pink I don’t even understand your comment to think pink, she only posted on the 19 and then left (if you don’t remember, “that’s why this is my last post.”) What do you mean two days? Plus she’s not even here, why pick on her.
Because she decided to turn this back into an emotional rage machine. And, the site owners have managed to clean up the thread. There were three instances of her post on 9/19, and another on 9/20, showing that she was refreshing the page, checking to see if anyone had responded to her post. I know the drill. I’ve seen it a gazillion times.
So, the reason I picked on her is because all she could whine about was “how mean” some people were being. If she was truly practicing what she was preaching in that note that appeared *four times* (or was she just trying to drill home her views??) was that we shouldn’t stoop to the level of “sick of the lying pinkos.” However, just in acknowledging the behavior, and admonishing “Sick,” she stoops to that level.
Pointing fingers is very ugly behavior. What happens the one day Think Pink slips, and says a bad word? She is condemned by her own judgement.
Oh, and people who announce that they’re leaving rarely do.
Get over it.
Maybe I’m just a dumb blond but I only see her post on 9/19 no post on 9/20. Oh well. Anyways what do you mean about “clean up the thread” the car comment she talked about just happend last week?! That comment alone would have gotten that person thrown out of any message board. I’m glad she said something. Cause I wouldn’t have the guts too. What I got from her message was that she was talking and supporting her fellow consultants, not us. Anyway, I’m over this whole thing. Have a nice life.
Melanie wrote:
>95% of the people who come into MK are out within two years.
Take a look at those Canadian figures.
29,357 consultnats of which 4,533 received an average commission check of $140 in 2004.
Whilst the figures do not state that the only people who had been in Mary Kay for more than a year were those 4,533, they do have that implication.
You would be closer to saying that 80% are out within a year. That figure would give Mary Kay a higher retention rate than most of the MLMs out there.
OH, and to qualify as an ND, you need a downline of at lest 4,500. Worldwide, there is only 1 ND for every 2,889 consultants, directors, and senior directors. Which begs the question of how long it takes for an ND to lose a third of their downline.
#9 Unit Means Money wrote:
>but why is it established that the only people “making money” in MK are at the NSD level?
Canadian data:
8 NDs earn more than $100,000 Canadian in commision each year.
180 SDs earn over $15,000 Canadian each year.
Assume a Gaussian distribution, and 110 Directors earn $30,00 Canadian or more, and 33 SDs earn $60,000 or more in commission.
I’d list the equivelent US fgigures, but Mary Kay Corporate has decided that it would rather violate Federal Statutes, than provide them. OTOH, given taht Mary Kay Corporate is an ongoing criminal enterprise, such reluctance to provide those figures is understandable.
>are making $30k or so, AFTER EXPENSES — that’s their Schedule C income.
Have you examined their Schedule C, or are you accepting their claims on faith?
If US statistical data parallels that of Canada, you might have as many as 690 senior directors who recieve $30,000 or more in commission checks each year.
Now if you are going to claim that they get that income from retil sales, the minimum amount of retail sales they would be doing is five hundred dollars per day, or two thousand five hundred dollars per week. In other words, they should be in the National Court of Sales. Are all of those people in the National Court of Sales?
>Now does anybody want to dispute the numbers, or just sling more mud?
Do you have any solid, reliable numbers for Mary Kay (USA), or Mary Kay (International), or even any division of Mary Kay, other than Mary Kay (Canada)?
Amber
Wind under Thy Wings
Local Mary Kay director indicted for theft
Joni Willis Bryan also indicted for fraudulent use of credit card
By Jonathan Willis
Regional Bureau
RUSSELLVILLE — An area director for the Mary Kay cosmetics company has been arrested for illegally using her associates’ credit cards.
Joni Willis Bryan, 43, of 222 Marlin Street, of Russellville, turned herself in to local authorities Monday after a grand jury indicted her on four counts of first-degree theft of property and 67 counts of fraudulent use of a credit card totaling more than $90,000.
Bryan is charged with using the credit card numbers of four of her Mary Kay sales associates for her personal purchases.
“(The sales associates) would give her their credit cards and evidently she would keep their number and make additional purchases,” said Captain David Hester, an investigator with the Russellville Police Department.
Police Chief Chris Hargett said Bryan is accused of using the cards for purchases and cash withdrawals between February and August 2004. One of the charges covers a semester’s tuition at a local college while another was used to pay for building a personal Web page, Hester said.
The sales associates were unaware of the transactions for several months because Bryan reportedly told them that the charges were placed on their accounts by mistake, Hester said.
“She would write bad checks to cover the balance long enough for it to be cleared,” he said.
The four victims then became responsible for the charges plus the bad check fees, he said.
“One of the victims had to file bankruptcy because of this,” Hester said. “When you have a director working for a company with such high values and morals like Mary Kay, it is a shame that someone would take advantage of her associates like this.”
The Franklin County District Attorney’s Office turned the case over to Colbert County authorities because of concerns raised by some of the victims.
“Based on alleged representations made by Mrs. Bryan that she would receive favorable treatment by this office because of prior friendships with members of the office, we decided to turn this over to an independent agency,” said Franklin County District Attorney Joey Rushing.
First-degree theft of property is a Class B felony punishable by 2-20 years in prison and a fine up to $10,000 on each count. Fraudulent use of a credit card is a Class C felony punishable by one year and one day to 10 years in prison and a fine up to $5,000 on each count.
“I know her family personally and I really hate that she made these bad decisions that caused such pain and embarrassment,” Rushing said.
She was transferred from Russellville City Jail to Franklin County Jail. She was released Monday on a $77,000 bond.
A spokeswoman with Mary Kay said that the company had no comment on the matter.
Jonathan Willis can be reached at 332-0140 or jonathan.willis@timesdaily.com.
Not to steal the thunder from the silly director in Alabama, but can you people not scroll?? Here’s the quote from Think Pink, which appears — count ‘em — three times, with other posts sandwiched in between. The post on the 20th has been deleted. I already said that. That’s what’s meant by “cleaning up the thread.” If you’re going to use the technology, please learn about it.
So, here’s the note with hidden nastiness that I took offense to:
Think Pink says:
All I can say is at least most of the pro MK are respectable which is more then the con MK like Sick of the lying pinkos, “I hope you die in a blazing car crash ” and all the others with crude and vulgar language. I think all of them have proved their point . . . . We don’t want to be like them . . . so why listen to them!
Posted by: Think Pink on September 19, 2005
Here’s my gripe: She’s basically saying, “Look at her! Look at all the mean nasty things she’s saying! Look!” She’s accusing. She’s pointing fingers. Who else does that? The Accuser — Satan. So, if she’s going to play “I’m better than you,” she had better do it right, the way *my* Sales Director taught me: Don’t engage. Just close your mouth and walk away.
Now, back to that nasty little director in Alabama who caused at least one bankruptcy… resume reading, all.
Amber and Melanie: You two absolutely have your heads screwed on straight! I wasn’t asking those questions because I actually believed what the Mary Kay people said. I wanted those questions out there so that someone _would_ answer logically, and you did. And then some!! These are very eye-opening numbers. I’m really glad I didn’t do any kind of “short-term sacrifice” for this kind of long-term gain!
Rock on!
Ok whatever. i don’t really believe you because I got on this thing at 7:00am and never saw a post on 9/20 plus why wouldn’t they delete “former mk director” just doesn’t make sense (your whole theory and all) maybe think pink isn’t the liar here. Not to be mean (i could care less) but if you can assume and post it I can assume and post it. The only reason I say that is because my computer will do the samething. Really I’m not trying to be mean or start a fight. I don’t even know why your so upset about it.
Back to the stupid director in Alabama… that’s absolutely hideous, and a really good example of what happens in MK all the time. Proof? Oh… she is the only one who got caught? So, all you pinkos are just going to say she’s a “lone ranger” and no one else operates like that. Riiiiight. We’ve got all the proof in the world that MK is a pyramid scheme, and no amount of pointing fingers is going to make it go away.
Wow, you really can’t read, can you? I was _snickering_ at the fact that the multiple postings made her look like a desperate old lady. A mere side-effect to the anger over her sitting there, all judgemental, pointing fingers. And, in so doing, looking just as guilty as those she was accusing.
Let me say it again: You don’t look all “kind and gracious” when you run around pointing out other people’s faults.
Now, I agree with #9. Let’s get back to the facts.
I’m ready to move on too. No hard feelings. Y’all are ugly; I’m not going to say no one in MK acts like that. But MK is not the exception. In every business in the world there are people like that. And in any sales position the more you have under you the more you make. Again MK is not an exception. I’m not going to dispute the “facts” many people I know start Mary Kay for personal use only. The thought of being their own boss scares them. It takes a lot to be a successful MK consultant, one of our new NIQ’s that’s 24 decided to make this her full time profession, work at it 40+ hours a week (I’ll post her e-mail to us). But it takes a lot to be successful in anything, the difference is we are in essence in charge of our own business, which maybe harder yet I believe more enjoyable. Many people in this world are happy where they are in life. And that’s fine I’m not saying everybody should be a MK consultant, but for those of us who want more in life this is the perfect opportunity. I have seen so many wonderful things happen to people b/c of MK, it’s so much more positive then ANY of my other jobs and WAY more fulfilling. I really hurt for those of you burnt out by MK, because it has changed my friends and family’s life forever! I’m just saying it IS possible to make it successful for you, but it takes hard work, determination, someone who won’t quit despite circumstances in life and no excuses. That’s what I have found in my experience. My director was almost a National but tragedy struck all of her Directors but one. She never gave up and now (after YEARS) she has been blessed to be on track to become NSD!! We want to help her become successful. We know she’s making money off of us and I’m fine with that. She never calls us at the end of the month etc. I’d rather work for her and have her make money off of me then a jerky boss. I love my director and everyone in our unit does too. We want her to be our National. She works so hard to help us be successful (yes so she can be successful too that’s part of being in the work world) like I said I don’t mind if I only wanted success for myself I shouldn’t be in this business About MK corporate making money off of us, I’m sure glad they do Or many people wouldn’t have a job. I don’t know why people get hung up on that! Look at the job your at…do they make money off what you do. I’m sure most jobs aren’t paying you what you deserve for the work you do. MK at least doesn’t give us pay cuts or lay us off. If we are strapped for money (buy the way if you got in debt to start that’s not MK’s fault, have a few classes then purchase inventory) we can work harder and get paid for it. But the best part? Before our meetings we GET to pray. (If that offends people then MK isn’t for them) At what other place could I do that?! Maybe I have a “rare” unit but I know that can’t be true (I’ve read others here). I’m just saying not ALL of us here are horrible so please stop the anger.
NIQ’s e-mail; I Started my Mary Kay business in July of 2001 at 22 years of age. I had just graduated with my degree in Elementary Education from the University of Florida.
Never in a million years did I ever think I would ever be a Mary Kay Sales Director. I thought Mary Kay was only for stay at homes moms and I had no idea they made the income they do!
I was invited to a guest event and came not expecting anything!! I came late to the event and never even had a chance to try the product. The evening was so much fun!! All the red and blue jackets, the positivity, and the FREE cars is what got me!! Also the woman leading the event, she was so well put together, her hair, make-up, and the income she was making was so impressive.
I knew as a school teacher I would never make what I was worth! So I decided to join just to make some extra money on the side. Yes, I was nervous and skeptical at the same time; however, I didn’t want to be left out!! I thought it was worth a try!!
When I came home to tell my family after they had just spent $60,000 on my college education, you can imagine their responses! Great…. a Mary Kay consultant!!
I knew I had to make this work. My family and friends didn’t support me at first so I had to earn my car to proof it to them that it would work!!
So while teaching all day, tutoring after school, and planning a wedding for 300 people I started working Mary Kay. I put in 6 -8 hours a week and never missed my weekly meetings. Within 3 months I had earned my first FREE car and decided to take the cash! My fifth month in Mary Kay I made a decision to become a director to see if I could replace my teaching income. Within a month I finished D.I.Q and was a new director 6 months from joining. I decided it was easier to do it fast. ” Fast is easy, slow is never!”
My first full year I had earned 3 cars, one of them being the “prestigous pink” Cadillac 11 months from signing my agreement!
Six months into Directorship I decided I didn’t want to be a mediocre director, I wanted to be a TOP DIRECTOR. So what did I do?
1. I hired an assistant 15-30 hours a week
2. I worked this business like a full time job (40 hours a week)
3. Built my numbers ( Swelled our unit)
4. Worked personally ( Gold medaled every month)
5. Had a great attitude at all times!!
From doing these simple steps, my first year as a director, our unit achieved the $500,000 Circle of Achievement. I was the Queen of Recriting for the Emerald Seminar earning a 3 carat diamond bee, a 3 in a half carat baguette ring, a diamond watch, and a Movado watch for my husband. Not including the income that was made that year, $150,000 for the year!!
My second year as a director, we achieved the MILLION $ CIRCLE OF EXCELLENCE!!! Our unit walked across stage and we were the #9 unit in the nation for Seminar 2004! Our unit was #2 in the Emerald division!! What a moment!!
I had broken a record and was now the youngest MILLION $ SALES DIRECTOR!
I earned a $5,000 bonus, a 31/2 carat swirl ring, a 2 carat bubblebee, a chance to speak in front of the entire Seminar for 15 min., a MILLION $ Weekend for my unit, and a fully expenses- paid trip to San Fransisco and Maui, Hawaii. We stayed at the Grand Wailea resort in a suite for two weeks!! The trip was priced at $20,000!! This is not including the income I made for the year, $250,000!
My highest love check in one month was in June, $27,000 including the $5,000 bonus!!
Mary Kay is an unbelievable company! You can change lives, be at home with the ones you love, and still make an Executive Income!! I know it has only begun for me and my husband, Karl!
Today we have 7 first line and 3 second line with 9 D.I.Q’S in our future National area!! Our goal is to go into N.I.Q. May 1, 2005 and to debut on-stage as a MILLION $ NATIONAL AREA SEMINAR 2006!! We will do it with God as our partner!!
You can all be a top sales director. Put in the work today!! Work personally and have a great attitude and you will succeed!!
Love and Beelief-
Dacia
Dacia, would you post your Schedule C for us to look at?
I love it when people justify the dirt done by 90% of the sales directors by saying that every business has problems! What a way to ignore the problem!
Hmmm…Dacia is in Greece with the Top Director trip. Wonder which one of her Kaybot clones are posting in her name??
Hmmm…interesting. Directors DON’T ever share their financial info because then the world would know they are LYING.
I agree wrote:
MK at least doesn’t give us pay cuts or lay us off. If we are strapped for money (buy the way if you got in debt to start that’s not MK’s fault, have a few classes then purchase inventory) we can work harder and get paid for it. But the best part? Before our meetings we GET to pray. >>>>>
Oh puhlease. As if no one in the world but MK people get to pray??!! Get real. Your elitist attitude really stinks and turns off the women of the world to MK!
Regarding your “MK doesn’t lay people off” – DUH, what’d they do to Claudia? What do they do to directors who miss 2 consecutive months of production? They rob them of their units. Perhaps you don’t see a “demotion” as a layoff, but at least in the j.o.b world, people get benefits for being unemployed. And, I always chuckle at the dismissal of regular jobs by MK reps. What do you call what you do? Isn’t it a J.O.B?
Brainwashing. For those of you who can’t see it when it hits you right on the lipstick.
Nope..no one ever wants to TALK TURKEY!!! God forbid we talk about actual facts.
And yes, someone is posting in Dacia’s name. At least she was kind enough to clean up most (not all) of Dacia’s grammar and spelling problems. How embarassing for the big “executive” Dacia.
Like, YAY, Mary Kay!!!!
Janet, you obviously are not working your business hard enough if you have time like that to waste here.
Janet Byers has that whole cult thing down pat!!!
(We may need to perform an exorcism.)
So, MK is really number 1, huh? I THINK NOT.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:ajifY3xli0EJ:www.wwd.com/related/article/101272+top+10+unit+mary+kay+cosmetics&hl=en&client=firefox-a
according to Womens Wear Daily MK ranked #18. Lancome and Avon are bigger sellers than pukey MK.
Go Womens Wear! Truth is golden!
I believe it’s “pukie”. And I think that’s a generous way to describe the dime-store products that MK puts out.
Pukin’ on MK..Pukin’ on MK
RANK COMPANY 2003 REVENUES
(IN $ MILLIONS)
1 PROCTER & GAMBLE CO. 12,145.6
CINCINNATI, OHIO
2 UNILEVER PLC 7,403.2
LONDON, U.K.
3 JOHNSON & JOHNSON 6,928.0
NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J.
4 COLGATE PALMOLIVE CO. 5,743.7
NEW YORK, N.Y.
5 ESTEE LAUDER COMPANIES INC. (THE) 5,117.0
NEW YORK, N.Y.
6 AVON PRODUCTS INC. 4,488.0
NEW YORK, N.Y.
7 WELLA CORP. 4,156.7
GERMANY / WOODLAND HILLS, CALIF
8 BEIERSDORF AG 3,930.0
GERMANY
9 L’OREAL USA 3,800.0
NEW YORK, N.Y.
10 GILLETTE CO. (THE) 3,368.0
BOSTON, MASS.
11 LVMH MOET HENNESSY LOUIS VUITTON SA 2,702.6 *
PARIS, FRANCE / NEW YORK, N.Y.
12 GLAXOSMITHKLINE PLC 1,911.9
LONDON, U.K. / PHILADELPHIA, PA.
13 MARY KAY INC. 1,800.0
ADDISON, TEXAS
14 COTY INC. 1,650.0 *
NEW YORK, N.Y.
15 REVLON INC. 1,299.3
NEW YORK, N.Y.
16 ALBERTO-CULVER CO. 983.1
MELROSE PARK, ILL.
17 PFIZER INC. 917.0
NEW YORK, N.Y.
18 ELIZABETH ARDEN INC. 752.0
MIAMI LAKES, FLA.
19 CHURCH & DWIGHT CO. INC. 560.2
PRINCETON, N.J.
20 NEUTROGENA CORP. 503.0
LOS ANGELES, CALIF.
21 ROHTO PHARMACEUTICAL CO. LTD. 462.1
OSAKA, JAPAN
22 ANDREW JERGENS CO. (THE) 433.2 *
CINCINNATI, OHIO
23 DIAL CORP. (THE) 416.9
SCOTTSDALE, ARIZ.
24 SCHERING-PLOUGH CORP. 402.0
KENILWORTH. N.J.
25 DEL LABS 310.4
UNIONDALE, N.Y.
We are listed on the 100 Best Companies to work for in America and 10 Best Companies for women to work for in America — the only direct seller and the only cosmetic company on the best list.
Ours is the best-selling brand of FACIAL SKIN CARE and color cosmetics in the U.S. (based on most recent industry data and actual sales! Go back and do your research Honey!
WE SAID ITS NUMBER 1 BEST SELLING SKIN CARE…NOT PRODUCT…SKIN CARE…OUT OF ALL THE REST OF THE SKIN CARE PRODUCTS OUT THERE. SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST IDIOTS…DOING RESEARCH AND DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY’RE LOOKING FOR…AND WE SAID IN AMERICA…NOT JAPAN OR CHINA OR LONDON, PARIS AND GERMANY. SKIN CARE..SKIN CARE…GO BACK AND LOOK UP AMERICA’S BEST SELLING SKIN CARE!!!! IDIOT
Estee Lauder: Skin care and cosmetics, also ranking AHEAD of MK.
There is _no_ list that puts MK at the top of _any_ category. Just MK’s own imagination.
Where is the research report that ranks MK as number one?? I asked for three years, and never got one shred of evidence from Corporate.
Ms. Dodson: Those rankings of best companies to work for refer to working as an EMPLOYEE, as in at the manufacturing plant or at headquarters, NOT being a consultant!! But, yet, those “leadership” folks sure like to state that fact, then say no more, so they can’t be accused of leading you astray. But, yet, they have because they said it in a context that is construed to mean what you thought it meant. And it’s incorrect. It’s deception.
I may be an idiot, but you are a BIOTCH. No wonder MK has a bad rep. Stalker, liar, BIOTCH.
Whhoooaaa ya’ll are crazy. I was never trying to post as Dacia, I mearly stated in the previous post, “one of our new NIQ’s that’s 24 decided to make this her full time profession, work at it 40+ hours a week (I’ll post her e-mail to us).” and then posted, “NIQ’s Email” under my name. Why all the rage?
Not convinced, I never said we are the only ones who get to pray, I’ve never worked anywhere that starts off the meeting in prayer. In fact if I even mention the word I would probably get fired. My point, this company was founded on, God first, where as others prohibit even mentioning His name.
About layoffs, they are usually because of corporate reorganization or lack of funds that’s not the case with Claudia she LOST her job due to not working I just think it’s crazy in today’s society that we think we need to get everything handed to us and if we step out on a limb an fall it HAS to be somebody else’s fault . . . The mystery of iniquity. She is an independent contractor, not having benefits may be a down fall, but we choose freedom instead of benefits. As with any entrepreneur that stared a business, if you stop working you stop getting paid. I know it’s not for everyone. Some people would rather get paid and have someone else give them their schedule. That’s fine. But a lot of us don’t. If you want to make it to the top so you CAN get benefits (which by the way NSD’s get a wonderful retirement package!) you have to work long and hard.
I don’t know what Claudia’s team was like but one of the ladies in our unit had breast cancer as well but never stopped working or lost her team. She was working in the midst of Chemo. It depends on the person I guess.
I agree: This statement is confusing: “Not convinced, I never said we are the only ones who get to pray, I’ve never worked anywhere that starts off the meeting in prayer. In fact if I even mention the word I would probably get fired. My point, this company was founded on, God first, where as others prohibit even mentioning His name.”
You’re arguing in circles. I have had multiple jobs where we started meetings praying. If the stockholders found out, there might have been a stink, but we never got fired. You see, we never _boasted_ about our prayer. We did it out of reverence for God, not for recognition. And, because _you_ have never worked somewhere where you could pray, you act as if that’s a big thing in this world. So, yes, you _are_ suggesting an argument that runs along the line of “MK is the only place where I can pray before a meeting.”
You’re just talking in circles.
Just think for one moment people, how God feels about all the nastiness going on here. I’m not a “working Consultant”, but if people want to be, don’t criticize them for it, and just becuause you had a bad experience does not mean that everyone who joins will have a bad experience. In fact, if your smart enough, before you make a decision you may regret, why don’t you put your trust in God and pray to him to see what he wants you to do instead of jumping into something, having a bad experience, then trash talking eveyone who does it or anything it stands for? Especially the Company itself. Unless you knew Mary Kay Ash herself personally, and conversed with her about why she started this company and how it’s supposed to be ran (how she intended it to be ran) then I suggest you keep your mouths shut about how “bad” the company is, just because PEOPLE corrupt and make something bad (as they have to society, not just this business), does not mean that a company was not founded on certain principles and meant to be ran a certain way. Don’t blame God for people being corrupt.
I don’t sell because I don’t want to. I don’t get into debt because I don’t want to. I make my own choices. If you feel that your director/recruiter/the company made you get into debt, well then you must really not be in control of your own thoughts and well being. Maybe you should re evaluate how you let others “control” you. If you don’t feel good about the company, get out, but don’t ruin it for others out there who are getting something from it. Just because you didn’t get what you thought you would from it…or let yourself be led to think you’d get from it, doesn’t mean it’s doing notheing for others. My suggestion for you is that the next time you go into something like this, go in without expectations, and don’t let others depict the pace you go and what you purchase, then you won’t get your poor feelings hurt so bad. What a terrible thing if you feel you need counceling because this business hurt you so bad, and that you need a support group. If you’d joined the company for the right reasons in the first place, which were God first, Family second, and Career third, you would’ve relied on God more, and you wouldn’t need a support group from someone else now. I find this all rather amusing. and sad.
Why don’t you try spell check and grammar check. You sound rather ignorant.
SLCP, That was beautiful, truthful but not arrogant (all at the same time). She’s right, it’s about time WE take the blame for our own actions, not just people on this page but America. People please don’t ruin it . . . she’s only speaking the truth not picking on anyone about their spelling. You never know, she maybe feeding her baby in one arm, on the phone with the other and typing in between!
Oops I forgot…poor spelling and grammar are a prerequisite for beng in deep w/ MK. There I go with the big words again!
What about this “Company” I keep reading of. Some of you are so Loyal to it and stick up for it as I would a family member. Then I hear people say they are part of the company although from what I can tell you just buy products from it to resell. I’ve heard of brand loyalty but “I worship my wholesaler” seems a bit much. What if they change the products on you or hike the prices? Companies are in it looking to make money, they are not your friend.
SLCP sounds like one of those that needs to read directly from the Dead Sea Scrolls in order to figure out how Jesus wanted his church _really_ to be run (“Unless you’ve conversed directly…”). (DCSs are _copies_, anyway! You’d need to actually walk along the road _with_ Jesus to get to SLCP’s point!) It’s obvious that the day has passed for this company, and that the die-hards should learn to move on.
Indeed, fighting to the death over this company is insane. People who were burned are in the thousands. This isn’t something that is dismissable by “a few good women.” Let it go. Stick a fork in it, it’s done! (“The Opportunity,” that is.)
say. She’s right!
If you can’t understand unless you, “actually walk along the road _with_ Jesus” then you should be walking about two inches from Him you’ll never regret it! There is nothing wrong with seeking God’s will for everything (including MK) for your life. In fact there is everything right about that. It shows that she is a smart woman.
About the thousands MK burned (I really have never heard a story yet that wasn’t because of the consultants irresponsibility, if anyone knows one let me know), what about the tens of thousands that’s lives have been enriched (for every national there is at least 550 or so active consultants) people shouldn’t try to bring MK down because of the minority. Not to mention woman who aren’t even consultants. When I facial a woman and at the end she starts crying saying no one has ever made her feel beautiful before, (even if she doesn’t buy any product) that’s what it’s all about, women seeing both their inner and outer beauty. Even the people who are nasty on this thing, you have it hidden deep inside too. Maybe they have had a rough life who knows what the source of the anger is from but I know you all have it somewhere.
Loves and Kisses,
I agree
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