U.S. District Judge Stephen V. Wilson has given record companies and movie studios the go-ahead to sue Sharman Networks Ltd., the parent company of Kazaa, a popular online file-swapping service. Wilson refused to dismiss a copyright infringement against the company because it has substantial business dealing in California and its actions are alleged to contribute to commercial piracy within the United States. Sharman Networks agued that it could not be sued in the U.S. because it is based in Australia and incorporated in the South Pacific nation of Vanuatu. The record companies and movie studios maintain that Kazaa provides free access to copyrighted music and films to about 21 million U.S. users.
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(via The Associated Press)
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i dont have kazaa but i would have to say dont u think these artist are rich enough i mean most of there money comes from live shows and advertisment anyway i think the artist can stick it up there ass
fuck man. its not illegal its bootleg. thes song were uploaded to kazaa 1 to 2 months before they originaly came out. it hasnt been copyrighted yet. and if it isnt its not ILLEGAL. plus like fuck im gonna delete something i paid six bucks for
Well whether all of you would like to admit it or not you are all stealing and commiting a crime even if it is just one song. That is one song you did not pay for! And what gives you the right to get a song that you did not pay for! NONE! There are hard working people out there that are getting ripped off for no reason just because you are to lazy to go buy a CD or go to listen to sample music of their websites! There are other ways around this besides stealing from someone that does not deserve it!
Come to think about this man, who wouldn’t pick up a gold laid in front of you? Besides, economy is getting worse now, who wouldn’t want to save? I know, you need money circulation to improve a nation’s economy, but still, think of your ownself first. By thw way, heard that 60 million Americans using Kazaa
Really Kazaa is just a big way to steal money from the music industry and software industry. Everybody likes to think it is just the music, but there are also thousand of programs and games out there that you can download that are illegal bc they have COPYRIGHT’s on them! Everytime you steal one it is just like shop lifting… Think About It?
The artis make enough money we cant afford there to buy therer cds constatly so i say we use sites to download music instead of kazaa or use mIRC there never find you there
:: i support Downlaoding music and music videos :: If the they were us they would download music too
I received an e-mail the other day from my cable internet provider that was a Notice of Copyright Infringement.They enclosed a copy of the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA)notice that the copyright holder sent to them. The e-mail was sent to me on behalf of the Director of Anti-Piracy Internet Operations of Warner Brothers Entertainment and the Director of Enforcement of MediaSentry, Inc. sending my cable company proof of Downloads of Harry Potter and The Prisoner Of Azkaban but further into the letter where they showed what I was downloading and sharing they also listed the movie TROY. They had my IP address and the port I was sharing and downloading from. I just updated my IP blocker(don’t know if that will work or not) but anyway. It’s all got to do with money, just like everything else in this world. If you don’t have it your F***ed and if you do have it you try to F*** everybody else.(My opinion) There may be a lot of people using Kazaa,etc. but the movie theaters where I live stay packed. I have never been one to go to the movies and if I didn’t get them off Kazaa them I don’t guess I would ever see them. I don’t download much music except for my daughter. I get her a few songs now and then. I’ve never bought a CD and never plan to. So these greedy-ass people aren’t getting anything from me either way. They have so much money(all of them) why should they care. I’ll tell you why because the more you have, the more you want and the more you spend. I’m going to continue to use Kazaa for as long as I possible can and if they sue me, well then good luck because I don’t have anything to begin with. I don’t see it as stealing anyway. I didn’t steal anything, I’m sharing what someone shared with me. All of the movies I’ve downloaded have been recorded by a camcorder. Well, whoever camcorded the movie must have paid to get in to see the movie. Songs downloaded must have been bought originally on CD and copied. And if none of the above are true, then whoever stole the music, movie,software,etc. It wasn’t me. Goodluck to all downloaders,sharers and keep on doing it.
my only problem is that the music and movie industry are already paid for the material so the only one losing out is your local vender and their the ones who should have a legal beaf with downloading
to clear ALL your half-ass comments, let me make this CLEAR
you can get busted 3 ways,
1. selling burned music cds
2. telling the police you d/l stuff
3. if the fbi or whatever sniffs cookies being sent from 1 computer to another that contains movies/music
THERE YOU GO! ~ if oj can get away with suicide, and mj can go raping little kids, then YOU can get away downloading music and movies ~
just follow 3 easy steps
1. don’t sell
2. don’t tell police
3. put all files downloaded in another folder or OUT OF THE “shared folder”
File sharing is legal in canada. It has been since april 2004. This applies too all forms of data not just songs. donwload away canucks!
These artist are so F*ck*ng retard. i turn on my TV and all i see is people like Eminem (note: i love his music) ect. crying because they lost a cuple bucks last that they are basiclly say could have bought them a super bouncy ball out of a vending machine. after seeing them doing that they don’t even deserve to have all that money. just look at what it turned them into. Eminem was as poor or even poorer than we are and hes complaining about a measly buck. F*** HIM!!!!!!!!!
I am one of the mothers with a law suit filed against me for my under age child downloading music.
One thing I know. I will never purchase a cd in a store again. And I don’t understand everything about this I know one thing $750.00 for one file being downloaded is a disgrace. Who will stand and fight for us…..
the artists should shut up all they care bout is money and millions isnt enough for them, music is for fans not for money and all you mainstream hollywood fucks, dont you think that if someone really liked your shit they would buy your cd not just download it, i know i do.
Hey, I’m all for file sharing. The idea of downloading a song is awesome, I live in a very small Canadian town. I’m 8 hours away from a city that has a decent selection of music… make that a selection of music period. and I simply don’t have the money to drive that far for a cd. so basically I’m mostly stuck for music for a good portion of the year until i can make the trip down.
I also happen to agree with the whole “I don’t want to shell out 20, or in some cases 30 dollars for a whole cd for a single song” it’s stupid.
Also I don’t like much conventional music. pop shit and what not. or even rap. now while those styles are in abundence everywhere that has oxygen. my music is harder to come by. (examples being lesser known bands, or some forms of instrumentals)
I have bought more then 30 cds as a result of my time on kazaa in the last year alone. in my mind P2P programs are the single best form of advertisement in existence.
Also the whole idea of a peer to peer network is sharing files, if you move said files out of the shared folder they are no longer being shared. making you a leech on the network, and simply put if everyone stopped sharing, then there wouldnt be a network at all. (but given the way everyone is being spyed upon what choice do you really have?) I hate what the RIAA is doing. fucking artists going around bitching because we are taking away less money from them then I pay in taxes every year!. fuck them.
so what, like the music industry, or artists don’t make enough money, they got $$$$$$$$$$
I don’t believe in stealing bread from a poor man who’s starving, but I think that corporate america is trying to abuse the definition of a “thief”.
People who download music aren’t doing anything morally wrong. So why are record companies telling us we’re doing something wrong when they themselves are too sinical and apathetic to care about our financial situation?
Most Copyright infringements are set by greedy corporations like record companies to profit with no limits and make life difficult for people who don’t have the money to enjoy a bit of luxury. There is plenty of water for everyone, we don’t need to be greedy and suck every last drop from the bucket. People with that kind of attitude are impeding the world from progressing to a higher state of spirituality.
In closing: File SHARING is a good thing! I encourage people to keep doing it.
This is a complicated issue but here’s my thoughts: it’s a logical and moral fallacy to say, “since they have plenty of money I can steal from them.” Stealing is stealing; however, I understand and agree with many of you that CD’s are too expensive for what you get (sometimes). So, the best solution is to go to NAPSTER and get the $15/month subscription and you can LEGALLY download MOST (over a million) of the songs you want – UNLIMITED. The artists and NAPSTER have worked out a way of distributing the money fairly/legally. If you don’t like the protected bullcrap that is on the file you download then go get it off Kazaa. That way you have paid for your music, got a versitle mp3, and stayed within MOST of the bounds of legality. PS – sonme of the songs on NAPSTER will still require you buy them for 99 cents but this is because artists agreed to share most of their music but in an effort to promo their new CD they will hold a few songs back. No big deal – this is the middle road for artists and consumers. It is very reasonable.
I think that people who use music download should reed the agreement to the program that you download. Sometimes there is something that company breacks, is the agreement . Like Lime wire is says basics download, or downlad for free. If it’s says downlad for free some people feels like they can keep on downlading, so then they get cought . I just dont understand that you can get arrested for something that says is free. If the company knows tha that person is going to get arested thy should rempve the program
I like to downlaod music
First off, I have to tell James to go GET an education and learn how to write in ENGLISH.
I think your argument was pro-artist and anti-kazaa, but I couldn’t understand it due to the poor grammar, cursing and made up words.
So much more can be said when done through correctly used language.
The rest of you who are complaining about the music industry and artists’ greed need a reality check.
You need to think about the MAGNITUDE of the file sharing. Sure, it doesn’t seem like a big deal if YOU are downloading / sharing songs. You’re only one person right? Well, 500,000+ others have just shared the same song. So, with that said, that’s .10 per copy that the artist is now out because 500,000 people no longer have the need to go BUY the CD. That’s $50,000 the artist just lost (If you’re like James and most likely can’t do the math).
The artists nor the recording company are in this to distribute FREE music. They put hundreds of thousands of dollars investing in these Artists. The Artists pour their heart and soul into trying to make it. Most of them do not, but for those that do, and those we like, we should be supporting them. BUYING their CD is a $13-$18 investment and it is the most simple way to tell the Artist thank you for creating this audible artwork. Call it a silent round of applause.
Then we have those of you who think they’re all greedy because the artist gets such a small amount per CD, but the CD cost $10-20.
I would urge you to put it into perspective and look at the GAS market.
Oil exist already. It doesn’t take the hard work of an Artist or Record Company to bring it to the masses.
It takes someone to get this FREE substance out of the ground, refine it, and then send it to the masses.
A barrel of crude oil cost about $50. This equals .90 per gallon. So why does it cost $2+ at the pump?
Refinement. The oil goes through a very costly process of refinement. Once this is done and it’s transported here and transported there…and everyone who transports it gets a fractional cut of profit from each gallon they’ve handled, it gets to you so you can pay the now inflated price of $2.00-$2.75 per gallon.
Refinement is the key argument here. It takes the Artists years (unpaid) to refine their music. It takes the record lables sometimes years to refine the artist. Most of the time, as I stated before…it’s a lot of money spent in hopes that they make it back from YOUR record purchases.
Sure the CD cost substantially more than what the artist or even record company is making in profit off of it, but that is due to the production costs.
Record lables must build in profits for everyone down the line. From the Artist themselves to the little teenage pimple-faced worker down at the local music shop.
It’s a much larger process then most of you care to realize or admit. It is important that you do.
My final analogy will be this.
Hypothetically, Let’s say I buy the new Super Duper GX5000 DVD/CD burning machine, which burns any cd/dvd copyright or not and burns them in masses of up to 5000 at a time.
So, I take my machine, set up a store front and allow droves of people to come in and copy whatever CD/DVD’s they want as long as they supply their own CD/DVD’s.
Along with supplying this new and fast copying machine, I let them use the machine for free, so no transactions for the copying are taking place in my store.
What I do, however, is place sales people on the floor to approach the customer’s on new credit card offers, survey’s, time-share while they’re waiting for their CD/DVD’s to burn.
Now, although I’ve “posted” a small sticker on the machine, written in a complex legal dialect, to “prohibit” or warn against copying protected materials, every so often I go on my machine and find cd/dvd’s left that are obviously commercially protected content.
This does not alter my business because, after-all it was the customer, they are the one’s who copied the content. I didn’t even charge them for it, they just simply used the technology that “I” provided them.
BACK TO REALITY….
Does this analogy bring the issue back into focus?
In this analogy the customer’s represent those using technologies such as Kazaa. The software represents the machine which the store “owner” provided. The store owner represents those who created and proliferated such technology.
Obviously it would not be legal for someone to set up a store front and offer such a service. Just as it’s not legal for anyone else to do so in a virtual environment.
Whether you be the store owner, or customer using the product he’s supplied to you for free (in some instances almost free), either way you’re breaking copyright laws and financially damaging those who have worked so hard to create the music/movies you love.
I know that few of you will side with my position, but hopefully this will convince a few of you to unload your piracy software and be proud to go out and BUY your entertainment disks.
Thank you.
First of all (some guy in AZ)…you obviously don’t understand the magnitude of what is happening. You have tried justifying a point, that is completely unjustifiable.
The music industry is GREEDY! They are targeting the wrong people.
Why do you think it is that they are going after middle-class families whose CHILDREN are downloading this music. Let me enlighten you…
((This is a valid and completely true argument in MAJORITY cases))
A majority of the middle-aged parents in the United States don’t even have knowledge of these file-sharing programs. In most cases, they have no idea what these programs are. Technology is new to these middle-aged people, they do not know what file-sharing programs look like and they certainly do not know that they can be used “illegally” by their CHILDREN. And do you really think that a child under the age of 13 understands what they are doing is WRONG. It is DISGUSTING the way the music industry is taking advantage of the situation and targeting those who have no way to defend themselves. These “middle-class” families I referred to, end up having to settle for thousands of dollars. There is no way a hard working “middle-class” family can afford to fight a FEDERAL CASE and risk losing up to five times what they can settle for. They are obligated and they have no other choices. Why should a parent be held responsible for something they TRULY have no knowledge of. These parents whose CHILDREN have CLEARLY been the ones downloading music, should not suffer losses of thousands of hard earned dollars. The children are oblivious and the parents are INNOCENT!
This is a complete SCAM!!!
Therefore, the music industry lawyers use this weakness to their advantage and this can not be justified in any way. They definitely are targeting the WRONG PEOPLE and this will back-fire on them. Do you really think all these THOUSANDS of hard-working people being sued are going to ever buy a CD again? Especially, when they have no knowledge of the program and/or no knowledge that their CHILD even had the program. The music industry will regret what they are doing to these INNOCENT people. Now they will make CDs from their computer, Now they will NEVER buy another CD and Now the record companies will suffer for the CRIME they are committing against middle-class America!!!
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